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PostSubject: Too Christian???   Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:49 pm

I'm at work....yah I know, I should be operating on someone, but my schedule's done...and someone just said to me that the prayer during the Inauguration was "TOO CHRISTIAN" and may have alienated some people.

I do not have enough time right now to post my answer to them and my thoughts on it, as I have to wrap up everything for the day and head home...but until I can do so later, I'd like to know what you think about it.

Short answer, I said something to the effect that while all other religions are able to be free in our society and practice wherever they please, the Christians are being stifled and made to feel they cannot practice, ANYWHERE. That caused quite a tizzy.

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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:44 pm

King Barack the First, I mean Mr. President, chose Rick Warren with the full knowledge that he was a conservative Christian. I am sure that he (Obama) was not shocked by what he heard.

On the other hand, if Pastor Warren had not prayed his conscience, what should we Christians think of him and what would the Lord think of him.

You are what you are, but if you change your Christianity to "agree" with the situation at hand, I believe that makes you one of those "luke warm" Christians that the Lord "spews out of his mouth."

When I heard Rick Warren invoke Jesus' name, I knew there would be repricussions from the left. I'm sorry folks, but the Constitution of the United States guarantees "freedom OF religion," not "freedom FROM religion."
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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:46 pm

Wow I bet that did get there BP up. I did not hear the prayer but in a country that was founded on freedom of Religion, you are right, everyone should be free.

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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:02 pm

Safari wrote:
"freedom OF religion," not "freedom FROM religion."



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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:12 pm

Sure didn't alienate all those people that were there to see it. I thought it was great. This is why Rick Warren is so well respected, for sticking to his beliefs and not being afraid to share them. On the other hand there are so many people out there that don't want you to offend or tell the Truth and think the whole world will just hold hands and get along.

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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:03 pm

I wonder how much of it was just an effort to counter/overcome the campaign accusations (and perception among some) that Obama is really a Muslim and not a Christian. Indeed, I think Obama "took a hit" with respect to the public perception of his religious beliefs and affiliations with the Rev. Wright problem. I am not saying it was all a show at the inauguration, but the extent leaves it open to that interpretation.
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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:12 pm

Good point Kenn

Joe (79CJ7) had a great post here about if even one person came to God from it then it was worth it, but I accidently Edited it instead of quoting it and in the end RUINED it. I hope he comes back and repost. (yes I sent an Email telling him what happened.)
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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:16 pm

I agree that it was a great prayer but I knew that people were going to comment on it. Pattey I can only imagine who might have said that at work!! Hmmm...who to begin with? And what's up with you not working :)
Ah I'm jealous either way since I'm not even there. Depending on what Schlegel says on Friday I'm going to try to come back on Monday. I know I'm crazy but I'm going crazy being at home, and not even being cleared to drive yet is even worse. That dirty Jeep is sitting in the driveway taunting me....darn you "Chewie"!!! Agggg...I was so bored I cleaned up Michelle's kitchen today HA!
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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:23 pm

15"liftdreamer wrote:
Agggg...I was so bored I cleaned up Michelle's kitchen today HA!
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I'll come get you and you can spend the time off cleaning my house if you are that bored.

Stop typing all the bad things you are going to say about how dirty it is XterraXtian yes/no storm
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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:34 pm

oh oh..I'm game however you better talk to Jeff first cuz he'll tell you stories of how I move things and he can't find them oh and that I throw away paperwork that he wanted to keep...yadayadayada...
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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:18 am

Oh, Chris does that to HIMSELF......so it shouldn't be a problem. Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:10 pm

i cant remember all that i said. i do remember that i said i hope that it upsets alot of people.the people that are mad will be talking about it to there freinds and neighbors spreading the word. we need more people to stand up tell it how it is and not sugar coating the word.you cannot be to much of a christian but you can be to much of a sinner. Chris does that sound about right give or take some things
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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:34 pm

JeeperX wrote:
Wow I bet that did get there BP up. I did not hear the prayer but in a country that was founded on freedom of Religion, you are right, everyone should be free.

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(I thought the invocation was well prepared.)


How bout it, Quite frankly Im FED UP with crusaders running around waiting to correct every little thing we say, Its like they look at themselves as legends in their own minds, im about to say the hell with Political correctness If I want to Love the lord and keep Him in my heart I WILL,,,,, I have just as much right to Prais the Lord as the weenies who DONT want to Praise Him.

A country of freedom,, yeh OK.

better watch what I say someones liable to correct me

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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:42 pm

Its a prayer.

No one on the planet was available who practices every religion, including atheism, on the planet. (Well, maybe there was, but, without an agent, no one knows how to reach them...)

Therefore, if you are GOING TO HAVE A PRAYER, said by one man, there is NO choice, but to have that man (By man I mean the species...) say the prayer that means something to him.

This means that if you want a prayer that doesn't reference god, well, its not much of a prayer...so, that prayer will reference the religion of the pray-er.

I thought it was inclusive enough to keep muslims, etc, from feeling ostracized...and, and Obama being a Christian, should get what ever blessing HE wants anyway.

Atheists should quite frankly not care at all what silly people say to a non-existent being if it makes them feel better, sort of like not killing your child's imaginary friend, etc.

So, sure, it COULD have been done "too christian", say if it asked jesus christ to wipe all the non-believers from the earth, etc....but, I don't remember that part.

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PostSubject: Re: Too Christian???   Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:45 pm

Well put, kiddo!!! amen

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